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Nope, you are completely misunderstanding NTT. You are applying your own rigid definition of trait and ignorantly assuming that’s what it means in the context of NTT. Sorry, but your definition of trait is NOT the definition NTT is using. Human IS a trait and you are free to name it as a justification. The trait can be “human”, “because the bible said so”, “because the wall in my room is red”, literally anything.

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Just accept the reality that your,position is arbitrary and emotional, nothing more. If you want to persuade others to treat animals nicely because you like animals, just go,with that. There is no name the trait. That’s just a silly thing.

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It quite clear you have no idea what you are talking about, either in theory or practice. I could ask you what school of philosophy you subscribe to that affords animals no rights, and how you so certain that you correct. I could ask what makes you think people in the zoo business take excellent care of animals, and what this care entails in a world where animals have no rights. I could discuss with you whether or not the educational opportunities provided by zoos are actually as great as you seem to think, and whether or not they could be replicated without caging sentient creatures. I could. But ya know, what the point? You canada goose outlet toronto location so confident in your own ignorance I don think a rational discussion is on the cards.

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buy canada goose jacket cheap The school of philosophy that I ascribe to that disallows applying rights to animals is basic logic and understanding of what the concept “rights” refers to, where it comes from, and to what it applies. In other words, reality. Animal rights is an incoherent term and is self contradictory. Treating animals nicely is simply something we should do because our lives are canada goose outlet new york improved when we don’t have to be exposed to death in a visceral fashion. It’s just not pleasant to be reminded of our own mortality. That is why we want to kill animals kindly and compassionately. It’s for us. Not them. Animals in the wild? The nature of that existence canada goose outlet uk is shortage, predation, exposure, and especially lots and lots of nasty and ferociously painful death. That is canada goose parka uk the essential reality, and we describe it as “wild” for a good reason. Compare that with a zoo, where food is assured, predation is eliminated, and kind and loving higher beings observe your health and administer medical care and relief from pain as needed. Zoos: 1 Nature: 0 buy canada goose jacket cheap

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The savage environment faced by animals in the wild is not an opinion. It is a metaphysical fact. Residents must fight for each and every meal, disease and destruction by weather extremes is a constant factor, everyone is a member of a food chain and is subject to being eaten alive on a daily basis. For example, let me look out my window. The first thing I see is a robin. Let’s look that up. 30% of songbird chicks make it through their first year of life. So metaphysical fact: 70% of songbird babies in the wild are DEAD within a year. Not resting. Not pining for the fjords. DEAD! And how did they die? In songbird hospice? No. Their heads and eyes and brains were bitten off while they were just learning to use them. THAT is the natural environment for animals. So don’t give me the “I worked in a zoo” line of nonsense and the animals are abused. Animals are not abused. They are confined, and that is eminently superior to being wiped out by whoever wants to eat you alive, or by some random bacteria for which canada goose vest outlet nobody is going to offer you medical care.

Next. Rights. Rights are not “entitled to”. Rights are not intrinsic. Rights are not “inherently deserved”. Rights are a human invention designed to modulate human interaction. Because of human nature and human intelligence. Intelligent living beings that are self aware, temporally aware, and existentially aware, and for whom there is the capacity to rebuild the entire environment in which they live, require the invention of behavioral restraints so as to enable cooperation, reliance, and predictability over time. That’s who gets rights. Not dumb animals. Rights are an invention, rights have a purpose, and rights are only applicable to the particular life form whose nature requires them.

Sentience is irrelevant. Pain mechanisms are irrelevant. Rights are not applied based on these factors. In fact, it is directly observable that attempting to apply rights to animals, or plants, or rocks, is irrational. So no animal rights.

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